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Tuesday, 27 September 2011

The collision course.

We ask if accident investigation is worth the money and if it actually creates accidents. We think it does.

Lincolnshire Echo 27th Sep.11

Saturday, 24 September 2011

A copper's rebuke.

To an 'anonymous' Village Beat Officer's tweet about how he and his community had engaged in stops and warned or spoke to 76 drivers about speed, seat belts etc. I had tweeted my comments. Bear in mind that, with only 140 characters to make a point on Twitter, comments have to be to the point.

At least this PC did, in due course, long after I knew what he was referring to, complain about my comments on Twitter. Asking him to be specific this is the following exchange. 


Your views that you tweeted as follows……

(1) “So while you 'reminded' 76 #drivers what they already knew, real crime was happening”

(2) Except '#speeding' causes no accidents, death from accidents in the home is higher & we prefer you did something else!

I would invite you to do the hardest part of my job (informing a loved one of a death) and then ask yourself to really consider what you tweeted.  Policing involves the whole scope of unlawful activities not just the one’s that you see on an action packed TV series.  Might also be worth considering the quantity of deaths on our roads Vs “death in the home”.

When I became a police officer I affirmed, and one of those tasks was to:-

·      Preserve life and property (very applicable to my actions that I tweeted)

I welcome your views but maybe the context of them could be very sensitive to a section of people who have experienced life tragedies on our roads.

Take care, regards


Hi Robert,

I was a police officer for 32 years. See my profile.

Before I took out any prosecution I ensured for myself it was just and warranted. If there was something wrong about the set up, I saw it as my duty to question it. I was not just a factotum. I was the sheriff of my patch.

I invite you to read facts about 'why speeding happens' 'why coppers shouldn't trust speed limits' and other items under Road Safety, Speed Limits. Perhaps 'Coppers use Cameras but don't know why' on my site at  and then ask how much you know about the limit in which you use your camera? Then ask if you didn't know these things, why encourage non-police not to understand them too but point cameras at people instead? So what do you actually know about this particular speed limit? Who set it? What was his/ her driving qualification? Do they know more about driving than police? How many accidents were happening before it was set? How many members of the public, those who use the road, supported or asked for it? And so on. As a copper, about to apply the law, these should be considered.

My issue is that there are glaring causes of accidents that, for their own reasons, the DfT and police refuse to address or acknowledge. One is the cause of the worst type of crash there is, the over take head on. There are others,also self evident, that I have drawn to their attention too. So yes I have every reason to be annoyed about the selective activity in which you wish to raise the emotive scenario of the deceased victims as justification. 

I have identified far too much profit from the pious & vested interest of the very profitable Road Safety Industry; money which could really save lives elsewhere, to fall for pious emotionalism in it. There should be no emotionalism employed when making or when applying any law.

It is bad enough when non-expert police officers engage in this type of activity, but to indulge the local and parochial inexperts of the community to satisfy their local aspirations and perceptions is not what coppering is about; that is what local parochial councillors do to secure a few hundred votes for themselves. You don't need such votes Robert. 

I would suggest all police and Highways Officials read JJ Leeming's Road Accidents: prevent or punish? before employing their speed cameras.

So please do read through both my sites and see what more you can be doing to assist the driver and reduce road accidents as well as, at the same time, saving billions of pounds a year which could be better spent in saving far more lives in the NHS, the Emergency Services, A & E and so on. 

There are other things you personally could do, as a local resident, to ensure speed limits are appropriate and justified properly and have your say in the setting of them. If you did that, I can assure you, you would be appalled at the paucity of the reasons given. Very often, no more than at the behest of some local parochial councillor who possibly doesn't even drive. Surely police officers shouldn't be pointing cameras on that basis should they? 

Perhaps you may wish to forward this to your C.C.

But I am glad you wrote to me.


Keith Peat.
East Midlands
Drivers' Protest Union.

Tuesday, 20 September 2011

Jenny Walton The Humber Toll heroin

Jenny Walton. HAAT
At a time when The Valleys have just demonstrated, yet again, the stoicism and strength of the Welsh, one of their daughters, the indomitable Jenny Walton of H.A.A.T (Humber Action Against Tolls), faces a massive set-back after years of solid campaigning for the Humber Region's people. 

Having enticed, pleaded and cajoled all unitary bodies, politicians and businesses  to be united in their approach to Government for lower or even no Bridge tolls, she and they, have been effectively slapped in the face by first an unsympathetic public inquiry and now the Government's ready acquiescence to its findings. The story of despair is here  

Let's be clear. This is a Government that promised to 'end the war on the motorist'. So far, as our followers know, they are not keeping to that promise. 

We know Jenny Walton would not expect any favours for who and what she is. Only those of us privileged to know her can verify how hard the campaigning is for her and that it carries her own personal road tolls.

We know it is tough Jenny but it's what keeps you going. Don't give up. Just know this: all drivers agree with you.

Stop the war on the motorist E Petition. Sign here.

Friday, 16 September 2011

E Petition: Lifetime ban for knowingly driving uninsured then Jail for 2nd offence

We have now submitted this E petition along the lines of our BBC Statement.

People who knowingly drive uninsured are highly dangerous. If there were a psychology test for drivers, they would display the wrong mindset for driving. Irresponsible, a lack of care and consideration for the welfare of others and a willingness to break the law. So they are unfit to drive vehicles at all.

These people show that they will not care about the condition and safety of their vehicle, tyres, brakes and worse their manner of driving too.

In view of the foregoing, they should, on first conviction, be fined with a lifetime driving ban. A repeat offence would carry a long prison term.    Support the petition at: The uninsured e-petition is here.

Wednesday, 14 September 2011

Uninsured drivers. Call for stiffer penalties.

Karl Mc Cartney MP

Edmund King
It seems that MP Karl MacCartney's call for stiffer penalties for uninsured drivers is gathering some momentum. I was invited to appear with him and Edmund King, President of the AA on BBC Midlands Politics Show for Saturday the 17th (or is it Sunday the 18th September?)

It is my belief that to knowingly and deliberately drive uninsured is far worse than being a natural and accidental poor driver.

You will all know that I am against the punishment of perfectly safe drivers and indeed am against imprisonment for driving full stop. No-one sets out to have an accident, unless they are suicidal that is and bad drivers are usually naturally bad; in fact most bad drivers think they are pretty good in my experience. So driving without insurance without any care or consideration for others, to my mind, is one of the very worst of driving offences. The idea that a young person can be maimed for life, needing constant care until they die, or that so much damage can be caused by someone who doesn't care a jot about compensation and reparation to their victims appalls me. That punishments have been so low makes matters even worse. The Motor Insurance Bureau pays out something but that then is added to all of our premiums so we all finish up paying more.

The mind set.
But it is the mind set of someone who is prepared to drive a chunk of heavy hardware among other humans without 3rd party cover that is the most worrying aspect for me. That sort of person will not worry about bald tyres, MOT, servicing, maintaining vehicles or worse, their manner of driving either. To be reckless in any part of driving means they will be reckless throughout. That mind set is one where, if there were a psychological element to the driving test, they would fail it. In other words they should never be allowed to drive on public roads ever. With that in mind, I told the viewers that on first conviction there should be a large fine and a lifetime, yes a lifetime driving ban. I believe this would deter most from doing it. For those stupid enough to do it again, a long jail sentence would  then be entirely appropriate.

Well look out for it on Saturday/Sunday.  

What do you think?